Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submit | qgin's commentslogin

It reminds me of the 1980s anti drug ad where the mustachioed dad confronts his son about drug use and the son eventually snaps and says “I learned it by watching you!”

https://youtu.be/ifW9LIGabQM


Fair point, but what Moonshot is doing adds the element of man in the middle deception rather than just reading what anyone else could read.

Someone tell me if I'm overreacting, but does the ability to abliterate guardrails basically mean that alignment is basically a lost cause?

It really depends on what you consider a recording. If audio is streamed though a transcription engine and never saved in a way that could be replayed, it's hard to argue that a recording has been made. The live audio was transcribed.

While I still do trust that on-device audio is safe, you can rewind and record it on another device.

The regulatory workaround is an "un-mutable" audio notification of some sort. This might be a very notable sound in the near future. I am curious what the chosen waveform might be:

https://support.apple.com/en-us/148354#:~:text=Audible,activ...


Nobody has the responsibility to tell me what to do, but I sure would love some ideas because I don’t have any.

As misguided and misinformed as some of it may be, the "anti AI" and "no more datacenters" pushback in the US is actually working to some extent. Multiple states and locales have issued construction/permit moratoriums already. If you think it's a threat, help slow it down.

Heavy handed regulation that I 100% support. The externalities are too big to hand wave away.

You’re right, but it’s still a jerk move

Happy is tall order, but there is a uniquely American sense of impending doom that is always hanging over your shoulder that doesn’t exist in most other countries.

> OpenAI exec becomes top Trump donor with $25 million gift.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/openai-exec-becomes-top-trump...


We can’t even prove humans are conscious, we just extend the assumption to each other because we want other people to do the same to us.

That is only part of the reason. Most people believe we live in an universe with regular behaviors, such that observable phenomena, such as consciousness, depend on regular physical arrangements. This is a good reason to believe brains are all conscious. It is not a reason to believe only brains are conscious, but I don’t believe a wooden block which is painted red and white and has an iron ball glued to it has magnetism; this is just an analogy. It seems far more likely that consciousness depends on the particular material arrangement, meaning that substrate independence is wrong.

That’s not to say the computer is 100% not conscious, but its observable behavior is as likely to align with consciousness as the computers in the 90s. With this line of reasoning our credence towards it being conscious should be the same as the computers in the 90s, which is not very high for most people.

Intelligence on the other hand is obviously substrate independent. If one thinks harder one realizes our consciousness must at least at an early evolutionary stage have played a role in our intelligence, otherwise it would have evolved out. To me this just means we exist in a reality where the material arrangements supporting consciousness are biased toward intelligence.


Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: